GingerJag, on Apr 11 2012 07:34 PM, said:
Zimmerman had a concealed weapons permit, though, and they do tell you not to instigate or follow someone to start a confrontation, that a concealed weapon permit is only to be used for self defense as a last resort. You would have a hard time convincing me that he didn't have any other options when he chose to follow a scrawny 17 year old kid and start a confrontation. Additionally, you would have a hard time convincing me that the aforementioned scrawny 17 year old kid was actually beating the crap out of a grown man while he was helpless to stop it. He had time to grab his gun and shoot Trayvon, if he was indeed getting his head slammed into the concrete repeatedly, how would he have time to do this? It just doesn't add up.
NH3, on Apr 11 2012 09:25 PM, said:
This is the exact reason for him being charged. Was Treyvon being provoked? Zimmerman should've/could've been able to fight off an sixteen/seventeen year old young man that he outweighed by what, almost a hundred pounds? Repeated defiance to not follow him plus some officers didn't buy his self defense story.
The only way that you can kill someone in self defense is if they're threatening to take your or someone elses life and having tea and Skittles doesn't qualify. Even if Zimmerman wore him out, he should still have to answer for his actions due to his actions...
Have you two ever been in a fight? There is always going to be someone smaller than the other. I've seen so many of this "scrawny" kids beat the living hell out full grown adults. The fact that you think size is an automatic reason to assume Zimmerman wouldn't need a higher use of force is absurd. Not to mention, Trayvon wasn't small. He was 6'3''. He's 17-years-old... he's an adult in most states.
For example, I saw a 16-year-old beat a 45-year-old senseless. The 16-year-old was about 5'6'' and 140 lbs; the 45-year-old was about 6'3'' and 250 lbs. The old man had a completely swollen eye, busted lip, more than three welts on different places on his head. And, he was transported to the hospital. The only injury to the kid was a broken wrist that he suffered beating the mess out of the bigger man. This isn't an odd occurrence.
"The only way that you can kill someone in self defense is if they're threatening to take your or someone elses life and having tea and Skittles doesn't qualify. Even if Zimmerman wore him out, he should still have to answer for his actions due to his actions...
That's you're problem. You see tea and skittles and refuse to accept anything else. You've already made up your mind. Somehow, you've determined that tea and Skittles are evidence of innocence.
If Trayvon began fighting Zimmerman and the fight got to the point where Zimmerman was unable to defend himself, lose consciousness, or would subsequently die as a result of the injuries, then he would be completely justified in shooting Trayvon. Even while defending yourself, you can't escalate the situation beyond what is necessary for self defense. If Zimmerman punched Trayvon, Trayvon can't turn around and beat the mess out of Zimmerman.
I'm willing to admit that I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent. It would appear that you think he's guilty. Do you?
GingerJag, on Apr 11 2012 07:19 PM, said:
If that's all found to be true he should be convicted. He was explicitly told not to follow him, yet he did anyway, and with a gun no less. Don't want any trouble? Don't go looking for it. Simple. Of course, that's just my $.02 and since I will not be a member of the jury, it means about as much as everyone else's on this board.
He wasn't "explicitly" told to do anything. Besides, the instructions of the dispatcher ARE NOT law. You don't have to follow them.