[Dre3001]

jaguarmvp, on Jun 13 2012 12:31 PM, said:

RB's are no longer valuable in this league. We had the #1 rusher and scraped together 5 wins, that shows you how important that is.

TEAM COMES FIRST, not some guy who's so greedy he's gonna try to put the team in a bad position for the future.

Funny how you emphasize TEAM yet somehow the Jags only having 5 wins is a direct result of MoJo being unimportant.

Football is a team game therefore you need more than one person to win games.

[jaguarmvp]

Dre3001, on Jun 13 2012 12:42 PM, said:

Funny how you emphasize TEAM yet somehow the Jags only having 5 wins is a direct result of MoJo being unimportant.

Football is a team game therefore you need more than one person to win games.

True but RB is way down the chain of importance in today's league.

Look at all the teams with great RB's and tell me the last time they won a Superbowl.

[Diesel]

Dre3001, on Jun 13 2012 12:34 PM, said:

Screw him??

Like I said funny how quick people change their stance...Lets just forget what he has done his whole tenure in Jacksonville because he wants to hold out now.

Honestly I think Mojo just wants a long term deal from the Jags

He has 2 more years left on his contract and just turned 27 this offseason. By the time he finishes out his contract he will be 29 and for running backs that is the age when RB are cut from their teams or on their way out.

MoJo is in a bad spot because if his production remains high in the last 2 years of his contract I doubt the Jags still give him a new deal because he will be 29 and I can definitely see them using his age against him and not offering him a long term or decent deal. At the same time Jags dont want to give him a new deal now because he has 2 years left on his current deal and I doubt they want to commit to Mojo for a long time.

Either way I see Mojo not being apart of this team in the next few years. Its unfortuante how RBs are treated in the NFL now.

Fyi, most people have not "turned on him". They are disappointed at the stance he is taking considering that he has two years left, and a new offensive scheme to come in and learn.

[Diesel]

Dre3001, on Jun 13 2012 12:42 PM, said:

Funny how you emphasize TEAM yet somehow the Jags only having 5 wins is a direct result of MoJo being unimportant.

Football is a team game therefore you need more than one person to win games.

The NFL is a quarterback league, period.

[winathome]

Dre3001, on Jun 13 2012 12:34 PM, said:

Screw him??

Like I said funny how quick people change their stance...Lets just forget what he has done his whole tenure in Jacksonville because he wants to hold out now.

Honestly I think Mojo just wants a long term deal from the Jags

He has 2 more years left on his contract and just turned 27 this offseason. By the time he finishes out his contract he will be 29 and for running backs that is the age when RB are cut from their teams or on their way out.

MoJo is in a bad spot because if his production remains high in the last 2 years of his contract I doubt the Jags still give him a new deal because he will be 29 and I can definitely see them using his age against him and not offering him a long term or decent deal. At the same time Jags dont want to give him a new deal now because he has 2 years left on his current deal and I doubt they want to commit to Mojo for a long time.

Either way I see Mojo not being apart of this team in the next few years. Its unfortuante how RBs are treated in the NFL now.

It's not unfortunate at all. A couple years at the league minimum (much less a ten million dollar signing bonus) is an incredible head start in life, not to mention the free college education. MJD HAPPILY SIGNED THE CONTRACT. If anything he should be complaining to his agent. You act like these guys are going to have go out begging for a job at McDonald's after their career. I like, how the "pay the man people" realize it's a business for the players, but some how ignore the fact that it's a business for the franchise and for the GM too. There is a very large number of Jaguar players going into the last year of their contracts, the team needs that cap space. Also, since he has 40% of his contract remaining, do you expect him to return 40% of his signing bonus to renegotiate. The team for the better of the team does not want to set the precedent of renegotiating contracts half way through. Nobody is forced to play football, they choose to do it for the great reward, just because it's not the best reward in the league, is not an excuse to be holding out, it's just greed.

But again, I would have no sympathy. I would "hold out" too, limiting his carries and therefore production. I would run him into the ground for the next two years and then not resign him.

[Dre3001]

jaguarmvp, on Jun 13 2012 12:41 PM, said:

I don't see the packers, steelers, colts, patriots and other teams who constantly win have a great RB.

Its a passing league now.

I will agree it is a passing league now but those teams have/had elite QBs and WRs.

Did the Bronco's make the playoffs last year with their passing game??? Or the Ravens?? Or the 49ers??

There are still tons of teams out their that don't have elite Qbs and use their running game to compliment their passing game.

I saw that you mentioned earlier that we only had 5 wins with the leagues best running back but what if we had a decent/ above average passing game to compliment that. We could have doubled the win total. Running backs may not be as important as they once were but at the same time they play a vital role. If they were really as insignificant as you say they are then why have running backs period??

[Khanetic]

Dre3001, on Jun 13 2012 12:34 PM, said:

Screw him??

Like I said funny how quick people change their stance...Lets just forget what he has done his whole tenure in Jacksonville because he wants to hold out now.

Honestly I think Mojo just wants a long term deal from the Jags

He has 2 more years left on his contract and just turned 27 this offseason. By the time he finishes out his contract he will be 29 and for running backs that is the age when RB are cut from their teams or on their way out.

MoJo is in a bad spot because if his production remains high in the last 2 years of his contract I doubt the Jags still give him a new deal because he will be 29 and I can definitely see them using his age against him and not offering him a long term or decent deal. At the same time Jags dont want to give him a new deal now because he has 2 years left on his current deal and I doubt they want to commit to Mojo for a long time.

Either way I see Mojo not being apart of this team in the next few years. Its unfortuante how RBs are treated in the NFL now.

What has he done? he has had three 1000+ seasons in a five year contract in which at the time he got paid he hadnt cracked 1000 yet and his highest number of carries in a season was 197. But they ripped up his rookie deal that had a year left on it , paid him top 3 RB money which was based solely on his potential at that time, so in essence he was paid to produce as he has produced. He hasnt done any work in the Jacksonville community at all, instead he holds football camps in California not Jax. He doesnt do any charity work in Jax, and at the end of 2010 actually ripped the fanbase publicly for not coming to games and whether you agree or not its not the place of a multimillionaire to tell us everyday working people what to do or not to do with our money. The fact remains that if he has a problem with his contract , he should be marching into his agents office and asking why he negotiated a five year deal instead of a three or four year deal and this wouldnt even be an issue. Its always better to be the next guy in line for the big pay day than the one that got paid a couple years ago for these very reasons. I dont feel sorry for him one bit and hope the jags stick to their guns and force him to sit out all year if he so chooses but Im betting he doesnt because he has 7 million reasons to show up and play this season.

This post has been edited by Khanetic: Jun 13 2012 12:52 PM

[shag52]

jaguarmvp, on Jun 13 2012 12:41 PM, said:

I don't see the packers, steelers, colts, patriots and other teams who constantly win have a great RB.

Its a passing league now.

Well DUH... I don't see the Jags QB being like Rodgers, Big Ben, Manning, Brady and a few other either...

[pirkster]

Dre3001, on Jun 13 2012 12:42 PM, said:

Funny how you emphasize TEAM yet somehow the Jags only having 5 wins is a direct result of MoJo being unimportant.

Football is a team game therefore you need more than one person to win games.

What it should show you, should you choose to recognize it, is the limited impact even one of the best RBs in the league has on wins.

[FBT]

kingsbay1, on Jun 13 2012 12:05 PM, said:

Sorry, the team from last year with that coaching staff, receiving core and struggling, rookie QB DOES NOT go 3-13 without him and you know that!

It means they are significantly better with him than without him. Do you understand the difference of 5 games by 1 player on your roster!? Even 4 games! Thats the difference between making the playoffs(maybe even a home game) and ending your season early to get ready for next year.

So, basically what you're saying is that the team will probably need 4-5 more wins in 2012 to make the playoffs.

You're giving him all the credit for the 5 wins even though in 2 of the 5 wins, he scored 0 touchdowns. In another 2 wins, he scored 1 touchdown. What that tells me is that our offense was anemic, and that the focus was on the running back when the overwhelming majority of the league was fixated on the passing aspect of the offense. You act as if he single-handedly won those 5 games, and that without him none would have been attainable, but the numbers simply don't back that up.

Maybe 1 of those games (Tampa) was the result of a tremendous performance on his part with 2 rushing and 2 receiving touchdowns. So, he can be attributed with winning 1 game. The other 4 I'd be far more inclined to put on the defense holding the opposing teams down because we couldn't score. I'd put much of the focus for those wins on the guy who actually scored the points, Josh Scobee.

You can sit here and stomp your feet all you want. The bottom line here is the team has absolutely no reason to renegotiate his deal no matter how deserving you or anyone else thinks it is. They rewarded him with an extension he signed. That deal still has 2 years left. They've already said they're not doing anything with his contract this year, so I'm not sure what you're arguing here. It's not going to happen.

You can defend MJD for holding out. All he's doing is hurting the team. Which are you a fan of? MJD or the team?

[jtmoney]

kingsbay1, on Jun 13 2012 12:05 PM, said:

Sorry, the team from last year with that coaching staff, receiving core and struggling, rookie QB DOES NOT go 3-13 without him and you know that!

It means they are significantly better with him than without him. Do you understand the difference of 5 games by 1 player on your roster!? Even 4 games! Thats the difference between making the playoffs(maybe even a home game) and ending your season early to get ready for next year.

Our defense had more to do with our wins then MJD. As FBT said, there is only 1 game you can say "MJD won that game for us". The rest were the result of great defense. So no, I don't agree with Mojo winning us 4 more games single-handedly. Had we not had a great defense, we wouldn't have won 4 of those 5 games. We were averaging 12 points a game. The wins aren't on the offesnive end.

[Khanetic]

shag52, on Jun 13 2012 01:00 PM, said:

Well DUH... I don't see the Jags QB being like Rodgers, Big Ben, Manning, Brady and a few other either...

Yeah because his career is already over after one season , huh? God I hope like hell Gabbert comes out and develops into one of the top QBs in the league just to throw sand in the eyes of all these "experts" that already have written off a guy that was in a lose , lose situation to begin with .

[FBT]

Dre3001, on Jun 13 2012 12:50 PM, said:

I will agree it is a passing league now but those teams have/had elite QBs and WRs.

Did the Bronco's make the playoffs last year with their passing game??? Or the Ravens?? Or the 49ers??

There are still tons of teams out their that don't have elite Qbs and use their running game to compliment their passing game.

I saw that you mentioned earlier that we only had 5 wins with the leagues best running back but what if we had a decent/ above average passing game to compliment that. We could have doubled the win total. Running backs may not be as important as they once were but at the same time they play a vital role. If they were really as insignificant as you say they are then why have running backs period??

I don't think anyone is trying to diminish the value of a good running game to compliment a passing attack.

What people are saying is that MJD is under contract. He has 2 years left on the deal he signed that STILL has him being compensated at an elite level comparable to the top backs in the league.

What people are saying is that the team rewarded him with that contract in anticipation of what they HOPED he could accomplish. There was no track record to use as a basis at that point. He was a part time back up to that point, but he started the season as a starter with a contract that made him the 3rd highest paid back in the league.

The other two backs who made more money are BOTH out of the league 3 years later.

People understand why he is doing this. But, they also recognize that the team has absolutely no obligation to do anything at this point, and they have made it clear that's their intent. Knowing they're not going to give him a new contract, there's really nothing left to debate here.

He may indeed have outperformed his contract, so in his eyes, he feels he's deserving of a bump. What if he didn't? Would he have been as willing to say "You know what guys, I didn't earn the $7 million you paid me last year because I underperformed by 30%, so here's a check for $2 million."

At some point, he's going to have to return to the locker room with his tail between his legs. Had he done something similar to what Mathis did when he held out on his contract, he might get more consideration for possibly reworking his deal when the time is right. Unfortunately, unlike Mathis, he decided to take it to the next level by not participating in mandatory activities. That sends the message that this is about him, and that the whole concept that he's a team guy is nothing more than lip service.

He's sent his message about being unhappy about his contract. Yesterday was the day to set that aside and get back to work, but he decided to play the petulant child role and dig in his heels. In the end, he's not going to get what he wants, and he's going to have to accept that fact.

The longer he lets this thing linger, the less sympathy / support he'll get from the fans. He's hurting his brand, and he's hurting his team by not being there.

[superfan32]

If this holdout continues into the regular Training Camp, obviously he's not buying into the company line of "All In"...and I'd hope they trade him at that point. Everybody can be replaced...even MJD.

This post has been edited by superfan32: Jun 13 2012 01:18 PM

[shag52]

Khanetic, on Jun 13 2012 01:12 PM, said:

Yeah because his career is already over after one season , huh? God I hope like hell Gabbert comes out and develops into one of the top QBs in the league just to throw sand in the eyes of all these "experts" that already have written off a guy that was in a lose , lose situation to begin with .

Way to read what you wanted to read in my post... show me anywhere that I've said Gabbert career was over after one season...we were just in another thread where I defended him... I think you read that... but most everyone on here is acting like Gabbert is already the second coming and going to lead the Jags to the promis land...do you care if we wait and see what he's going to do first before going into a full blown knee-jerk reaction when me or anyone else wants to take a wait and see approach with him...

I hope he developes into the very best QB in the league and just not "one of the top QB's... it seems my hopes and wishes for him is a little bit better than your hopes for him... but don't let that stand in your way of trying to "bash" someone who talks a little different than you do about him...

[Perro Rabioso]

Passing League? Mojo isnt that important? Wow. What am I reading..oh yeah..J'ville fanbase. Passing league like New Orleans...beat in playoffs by a balanced team. Packers..again beat by a balanced team. Never mind the fact that we dont have a Brees Rodgers Manning Brady Stafford.
The guy leads the NFL in rushing with the 29th ranked passing offense...yet..we can do without him? Oh yeah...Gabbert has a whole preseason under his belt...Playoffs baby.
IMO..We have a decent shot at playoffs this year...with Mojo...and let Gabbert get better with him in the backfield, I think his value is underestimated.
But then again we have "fans" that say screw him...he doesn't do any charity work here and does everything in California. Welcome to Jacksonville Drew...don't ask why the team gets no recognition and many consider it a laughing stock...all they have to do is read some of the remarks on this MB.
Some good points for both sides here, but some ?
Contract, Shmontract...in the NFL its as solid as the word of a used car saleman guaranteeing the car was only driven to church on Sundays by granny.
But..what have you done lately..NOW league...who cares about this cat being the face of the franchise for the last few years. The ONLY bright spot. Guess we'll have to let bidness take of itself, and maybe Gene can negotiate that Mojo do more charity work in Duval... lol.

[winathome]

Perro Rabioso, on Jun 13 2012 01:28 PM, said:

Passing League? Mojo isnt that important? Wow. What am I reading..oh yeah..J'ville fanbase. Passing league like New Orleans...beat in playoffs by a balanced team. Packers..again beat by a balanced team. Never mind the fact that we dont have a Brees Rodgers Manning Brady Stafford.
The guy leads the NFL in rushing with the 29th ranked passing offense...yet..we can do without him? Oh yeah...Gabbert has a whole preseason under his belt...Playoffs baby.
IMO..We have a decent shot at playoffs this year...with Mojo...and let Gabbert get better with him in the backfield, I think his value is underestimated.
But then again we have "fans" that say screw him...he doesn't do any charity work here and does everything in California. Welcome to Jacksonville Drew...don't ask why the team gets no recognition and many consider it a laughing stock...all they have to do is read some of the remarks on this MB.
Some good points for both sides here, but some ?
Contract, Shmontract...in the NFL its as solid as the word of a used car saleman guaranteeing the car was only driven to church on Sundays by granny.
But..what have you done lately..NOW league...who cares about this cat being the face of the franchise for the last few years. The ONLY bright spot. Guess we'll have to let bidness take of itself, and maybe Gene can negotiate that Mojo do more charity work in Duval... lol.

So, pay him more for being the face of a 5-11 team? When has the team not honored a "contract, shmontract?" I think, the defense has been more a bright spot, especially last year. I would ask if you had a GOOD REASON to pay him more money but there isn't one.

[Diesel]

Perro Rabioso, on Jun 13 2012 01:28 PM, said:

Passing League? Mojo isnt that important? Wow. What am I reading..oh yeah..J'ville fanbase. Passing league like New Orleans...beat in playoffs by a balanced team. Packers..again beat by a balanced team. Never mind the fact that we dont have a Brees Rodgers Manning Brady Stafford.
The guy leads the NFL in rushing with the 29th ranked passing offense...yet..we can do without him? Oh yeah...Gabbert has a whole preseason under his belt...Playoffs baby.
IMO..We have a decent shot at playoffs this year...with Mojo...and let Gabbert get better with him in the backfield, I think his value is underestimated.
But then again we have "fans" that say screw him...he doesn't do any charity work here and does everything in California. Welcome to Jacksonville Drew...don't ask why the team gets no recognition and many consider it a laughing stock...all they have to do is read some of the remarks on this MB.
Some good points for both sides here, but some ?
Contract, Shmontract...in the NFL its as solid as the word of a used car saleman guaranteeing the car was only driven to church on Sundays by granny.
But..what have you done lately..NOW league...who cares about this cat being the face of the franchise for the last few years. The ONLY bright spot. Guess we'll have to let bidness take of itself, and maybe Gene can negotiate that Mojo do more charity work in Duval... lol.

Look at the league in general and tell me what they have in common...thats right, a strong passing game.

We had the leagues leading rusher and look at our record! Thats all the proof you need.

[FBT]

Perro Rabioso, on Jun 13 2012 01:28 PM, said:

Passing League? Mojo isnt that important? Wow. What am I reading..oh yeah..J'ville fanbase. Passing league like New Orleans...beat in playoffs by a balanced team. Packers..again beat by a balanced team. Never mind the fact that we dont have a Brees Rodgers Manning Brady Stafford.
The guy leads the NFL in rushing with the 29th ranked passing offense...yet..we can do without him? Oh yeah...Gabbert has a whole preseason under his belt...Playoffs baby.
IMO..We have a decent shot at playoffs this year...with Mojo...and let Gabbert get better with him in the backfield, I think his value is underestimated.
But then again we have "fans" that say screw him...he doesn't do any charity work here and does everything in California. Welcome to Jacksonville Drew...don't ask why the team gets no recognition and many consider it a laughing stock...all they have to do is read some of the remarks on this MB.
Some good points for both sides here, but some ?
Contract, Shmontract...in the NFL its as solid as the word of a used car saleman guaranteeing the car was only driven to church on Sundays by granny.
But..what have you done lately..NOW league...who cares about this cat being the face of the franchise for the last few years. The ONLY bright spot. Guess we'll have to let bidness take of itself, and maybe Gene can negotiate that Mojo do more charity work in Duval... lol.

The expectation is that the passing offense for this team will improve at least enough to get back to the middle of the pack. I would say that, based upon where we're at currently with the running game, that would certainly bring a lot of balance to the offense. So, what's your point?

MJD is under contract. The expectation is that he will be on the field for the Jaguars this season. So, how exactly is the running game being adversely impacted by him not getting a new contract? The ONLY way it can have a negative impact on the rushing attack is if MJD continues to play this game of chicken he's already lost.

Few think we'll be "doing without him" this year. Nobody is underestimating his value to this team. He's overestimating the leverage he has to get more money. That's all.

The rest of your post is simply bile aimed at the fans who are supporting the position of the team that he is under contract, is still paid better than all but 6 starting backs in the league, and should be participating in mandatory practices to become familiar with the new coaching staff, new playbook, and new terminology that will be incorporated. He's not there.

[Diesel]

Perro Rabioso, on Jun 13 2012 01:28 PM, said:

Passing League? Mojo isnt that important? Wow. What am I reading..oh yeah..J'ville fanbase. Passing league like New Orleans...beat in playoffs by a balanced team. Packers..again beat by a balanced team. Never mind the fact that we dont have a Brees Rodgers Manning Brady Stafford.
The guy leads the NFL in rushing with the 29th ranked passing offense...yet..we can do without him? Oh yeah...Gabbert has a whole preseason under his belt...Playoffs baby.
IMO..We have a decent shot at playoffs this year...with Mojo...and let Gabbert get better with him in the backfield, I think his value is underestimated.
But then again we have "fans" that say screw him...he doesn't do any charity work here and does everything in California. Welcome to Jacksonville Drew...don't ask why the team gets no recognition and many consider it a laughing stock...all they have to do is read some of the remarks on this MB.
Some good points for both sides here, but some ?
Contract, Shmontract...in the NFL its as solid as the word of a used car saleman guaranteeing the car was only driven to church on Sundays by granny.
But..what have you done lately..NOW league...who cares about this cat being the face of the franchise for the last few years. The ONLY bright spot. Guess we'll have to let bidness take of itself, and maybe Gene can negotiate that Mojo do more charity work in Duval... lol.

You know what the contract says? It says sit out two years MJD and get paid $0.

Nobody here hates him or think that he shouldnt deserve more. They do think he should honor the contract, but if you are too inept to read the thread or see what people are trying to say, whats the point of discussing it with you?

[Khanetic]

shag52, on Jun 13 2012 01:21 PM, said:

Way to read what you wanted to read in my post... show me anywhere that I've said Gabbert career was over after one season...we were just in another thread where I defended him... I think you read that... but most everyone on here is acting like Gabbert is already the second coming and going to lead the Jags to the promis land...do you care if we wait and see what he's going to do first before going into a full blown knee-jerk reaction when me or anyone else wants to take a wait and see approach with him...

I hope he developes into the very best QB in the league and just not "one of the top QB's... it seems my hopes and wishes for him is a little bit better than your hopes for him... but don't let that stand in your way of trying to "bash" someone who talks a little different than you do about him...

First off, my entire post wasnt directed at you necesarily(sp?). I misunderstood your point I guess, and in no way was I "bashing" you or your opinion. However, I am tired of all the people that are in the media and on this board that act as if Gabbert is just this lost cause without even seeing what this offensive staff which includes 3 QB guru's and each one has developed some really good talent . Mularkey even got results outta Kordell stewart, and Maddox in which they had top ten offenses with those two QBs but yet people act like he isnt going to be able to salvage Gabbert who has ALOT more talent than those two. I do agree with you that we ALL should take a wait and see approach with Gabbert because as I have stated before none of us know what Gabbert will or wont become. Now, hopefully that didnt come off as attacking you because that was not my intention.

[Diesel]

FBT, on Jun 13 2012 01:35 PM, said:

The expectation is that the passing offense for this team will improve at least enough to get back to the middle of the pack. I would say that, based upon where we're at currently with the running game, that would certainly bring a lot of balance to the offense. So, what's your point?

MJD is under contract. The expectation is that he will be on the field for the Jaguars this season. So, how exactly is the running game being adversely impacted by him not getting a new contract? The ONLY way it can have a negative impact on the rushing attack is if MJD continues to play this game of chicken he's already lost.

Few think we'll be "doing without him" this year. Nobody is underestimating his value to this team. He's overestimating the leverage he has to get more money. That's all.

The rest of your post is simply bile aimed at the fans who are supporting the position of the team that he is under contract, is still paid better than all but 6 starting backs in the league, and should be participating in mandatory practices to become familiar with the new coaching staff, new playbook, and new terminology that will be incorporated. He's not there.

I always find it funny when people bash our fan base. I guess its an easy shot, but typically made by people who have no clue.

[jagfanthrutherottenyears]

kingsbay1, on Jun 13 2012 09:42 AM, said:

He has been one of the top backs in his career since being the starting RB and even before then he was the mostdynamic player on the roster. There is no comparing the three.

Finally, he maybe making more than 80% of the RB's in the league, but that's countered with him being better than 95% of the backs in the league!

MJD signed his current contract before the 2009 season. That contract (the same one he is under now) made him one of the highest 3 paid RBs in the league. He was not a top 3 RB at that time. He had no problem with the team paying him disproportionate to his worth and overpaying him.

Now he is a top 3 RB in the league, but his pay is only the 7th highest.

Why was it okay for the team to not pay him equal to his RB ranking in 2009, but now, he wants to be paid equal to his RB ranking?

Dre3001, on Jun 13 2012 12:21 PM, said:

Same for MJD. Mojo is being paid decently but at the same time he is arguably the best running back in the league (top 3 at least) and is getting up there in age and simply wants a big contract before he gets up there in age or declines in production.

See above.

Dre3001, on Jun 13 2012 12:21 PM, said:

For example:

Say you get a new job in a company and start off at a certain salary. After a 3 or 4 years you have worked hard and are now the best employee in the company and considered the face of the company. Would it be wrong to ask for a raise? Or should you simply continue to work at a lower rate when you know you should be paid more?

If you're going to compare that to MJD, then the appropriate analogy would be saying that you start a new job at McDonald's working the register and making food. But they pay you (and you agree to accept) $50,000 per year for 5 years because they expect you to be a manager, and to be one of the best managers, within 2-3 years. They also give you a $250,000 signing bonus when you agree to this awesome deal.

2-3 years later and you just so happen to have lived up to those expectations and have become one of the best McDonald's managers.

Do you get to now re-negotiate with two years left? Or do you wait, work out the next 2 years and worry about your next contract closer to the end of this one?

The company showed loyalty to you by overpaying you early. The company took a risk on you and it worked out for McDonald's. Do you return their loyalty and faith by refusing to show up to work?

[shag52]

Khanetic, on Jun 13 2012 01:37 PM, said:

First off, my entire post wasnt directed at you necesarily(sp?). I misunderstood your point I guess, and in no way was I "bashing" you or your opinion. However, I am tired of all the people that are in the media and on this board that act as if Gabbert is just this lost cause without even seeing what this offensive staff which includes 3 QB guru's and each one has developed some really good talent . Mularkey even got results outta Kordell stewart, and Maddox in which they had top ten offenses with those two QBs but yet people act like he isnt going to be able to salvage Gabbert who has ALOT more talent than those two. I do agree with you that we ALL should take a wait and see approach with Gabbert because as I have stated before none of us know what Gabbert will or wont become. Now, hopefully that didnt come off as attacking you because that was not my intention.

You quoted my post so I thought it was directed at me... when the Jags hired JDR I was one of a very few on here that wanted them to hire Mularkey at the time for the very reason you posted...what he did with Stewart showed what he could do for just about any team or QB in my opinion...

I don't like it when some on here jumps on Gabbert without giving him a chance to see what he can or can not do... but it's the usual posters on here that do that for just about anyone... ever read a "Game Day Thread" on here... it almost unbearable to read... maybe you should do yourself a favor and not read it... but you will see, if you read it, that it's always the same ol same ol ones that post the negitives about the team or it's players... the game is always lost to them the minute something goes wrong... and that could be the first play of the game...

[NH3]

DavidR, on Jun 13 2012 08:24 AM, said:

What do you guys think about Jackie Battle.

We have enough Battles going on right now... We don't need another...

NH3...