[phillyjagsfan]

FBT, on Jul 02 2012 03:34 PM, said:

And you don't think that's happening here? Fans thinking he has a lock on a roster spot has no bearing on what the reality is here. His job is won or lost in training camp / preseason.

I do expect that our staff will make him earn his spot. Again, I was just pointing out why I don't perceive him as a lock as some fans do.

[KM91]

FBT, on Jul 02 2012 03:34 PM, said:

And you don't think that's happening here? Fans thinking he has a lock on a roster spot has no bearing on what the reality is here. His job is won or lost in training camp / preseason.

FBT, you've gotta stop making so much sense. You're gonna start confusing people.

[JagsFan1]

Wow cant get with the hate. Was Mike T garbage last yr yes. Him and lewis will have good seasons book it.

[ATLjag]

I believe Mike Thomas will benefit tremendously with Sullivan coaching, and the coverage likely keying on Robinson and Blackmon. I don't see him not making the roster.

[badger]

jaguarmvp, on Jul 02 2012 03:33 PM, said:

He will have his shot in training camp and preseason to earn a roster spot. If he dosent its no loss

We will probably lose some money from the cap penalty.

[goatsampson]

ATLjag, on Jul 02 2012 04:26 PM, said:

I believe Mike Thomas will benefit tremendously with Sullivan coaching, and the coverage likely keying on Robinson and Blackmon. I don't see him not making the roster.

That's the hope. He's definitely just a slot guy (and there's nothing wrong with that, ask Wes Welker.) He's not strong enough to be effective outside like a Steve Smith. With two legit guys outside, it could work wonders for his production.

[Deacon]

phillyjagsfan, on Jul 02 2012 03:47 PM, said:

I disagree. If Robinson or Blackmon disappoint in camp, they will still make the 53 man roster. I would consider them locks. If Thomas can't get anything going in camp or preseason, he has a good chance of being cut. I am not saying this is going to happen but it's certainly possible.

...

Apologies, I thought that you were referring to starting positions.

I agree with you in the fact that certain players such as Robinson, Blackmon, Gabbert, Jones-Drew, et al have a roster spot based on either past performance, potential, or some combination of the two. However, I do feel like a starting position and the increased playing time that goes along with it, is very much up for grabs.

[ytraM]

FBT, on Jul 02 2012 02:03 PM, said:

Thomas mailed it in last year, but I think his frustrations in the passing game were no different from anyone else. The offense took the air out of the offense, and when they DID opt to throw the ball, there were other issues. I've seen it repeatedly where the braintrust on this board looks at 3 years with Thomas, and based strictly on last season has decided he's a bust. Few people here were complaining when the contract extension was awarded.

Personally, I think 2011 was an anomaly for a few guys on the roster, and hopefully with the new coaching and with a more focused effort on passing the ball, you'll see guys like Thomas and Lewis return to form.

I agree with all that.

"I agree with all that" is not much of a post, I will admit, but really why say more?

[jagshunter]

This year, Mike Thomas will...

[roycee]

jagshunter, on Jul 03 2012 08:39 AM, said:

This year, Mike Thomas will...

Wear #80 and play receiver...more details in september

[pirkster]

JagsFan1, on Jul 02 2012 04:25 PM, said:

Wow cant get with the hate.

It's cute the way kids use the word "hate" these days.

[FgallosJAGS]

I don't really believe these stats lol.

[shag52]

FBT, on Jul 02 2012 02:03 PM, said:

Thomas mailed it in last year, but I think his frustrations in the passing game were no different from anyone else. The offense took the air out of the offense, and when they DID opt to throw the ball, there were other issues. I've seen it repeatedly where the braintrust on this board looks at 3 years with Thomas, and based strictly on last season has decided he's a bust. Few people here were complaining when the contract extension was awarded.

Personally, I think 2011 was an anomaly for a few guys on the roster, and hopefully with the new coaching and with a more focused effort on passing the ball, you'll see guys like Thomas and Lewis return to form.

While I agree with you about the "offense taking the air out of offense" I have to disagree with you on the reasons about Thomas...

He might have mailed it in last year... but why... if the Jags were to cut him ( like any tean cuts players) why wouldn't he want the best film out there on him so other teams could see what kind of player he was or is... the NFL is a business and if a player is not giving it his best on every play...it will catch up with him sooner rather than later...I think Thomas wasn't the type of WR's we all though he was in the first place and that is just my personal opinion... this year will tell all of us what kind of player he really is...

It doesn't speak well of him by just quiting on his routes, running the wrong routes not being able to read a defense plus a couple more things...mailing it in doesn't mean you simply forgot how to do these things all at once... his lazyness and not trying could cost him in more ways than one... just because things are falling apart around you doesn't mean you quit too... MOJO didn't quit...there were other players that didn't quit either... although the OL had it's problems with injuries and other things... they didn't mail it in...they were the reason MOJO lead the league in rushing... the defese didn't qiut... they played their arses off though everything going on around them...

I agree with you about Lewis... I think he was pushing and trying to hard...he wasn't playing loose in games...he looked like he was forcing things out there... I do think he rebounds this year... I didn't hear announcers saying Lewis ran the wrong routes, couldn't read a defense or stopped running in the middle of his routes...I also think better coaching is going to help the WR's and the team as a whole this year...

[Raven09s]

If Mike Thomas doesn't mirror Wes Welker's season from last year, I demand that Gene label him as a bust and deal with him accordingly. Anything less, then I'm going to cancel my imaginary season tickets and boycott Gene Smith on a message forum which has no bearing in any part of real life.

[FBT]

shag52, on Jul 03 2012 10:10 AM, said:

While I agree with you about the "offense taking the air out of offense" I have to disagree with you on the reasons about Thomas...

He might have mailed it in last year... but why... if the Jags were to cut him ( like any tean cuts players) why wouldn't he want the best film out there on him so other teams could see what kind of player he was or is... the NFL is a business and if a player is not giving it his best on every play...it will catch up with him sooner rather than later...I think Thomas wasn't the type of WR's we all though he was in the first place and that is just my personal opinion... this year will tell all of us what kind of player he really is...

It doesn't speak well of him by just quiting on his routes, running the wrong routes not being able to read a defense plus a couple more things...mailing it in doesn't mean you simply forgot how to do these things all at once... his lazyness and not trying could cost him in more ways than one... just because things are falling apart around you doesn't mean you quit too... MOJO didn't quit...there were other players that didn't quit either... although the OL had it's problems with injuries and other things... they didn't mail it in...they were the reason MOJO lead the league in rushing... the defese didn't qiut... they played their arses off though everything going on around them...

I agree with you about Lewis... I think he was pushing and trying to hard...he wasn't playing loose in games...he looked like he was forcing things out there... I do think he rebounds this year... I didn't hear announcers saying Lewis ran the wrong routes, couldn't read a defense or stopped running in the middle of his routes...I also think better coaching is going to help the WR's and the team as a whole this year...

I'm not defending what Thomas did last year because anyone could see he was cutting off routes and quitting on plays. Since he got an extension last year, my guess is he wasn't too concerned about the film, and figured the game would just come to him. When he didn't, he let his frustrations play out in the worst possible way. I'd almost rather have seen him in front of a camera saying to give him the darn ball.

I think he was an idiot for dialing down his effort in such a visible manner. I also believe that he's on a short leash as a result of that this year. This coaching staff has no loyalty to him. So, if he shows the same lack of effort as last year, he won't be on the opening day roster.

I hope that will be enough motivation to get him rolling.

[GoJags16]

On your point about Lewis FBT, I just have a hard time finding ANY acceptable excuse for his play ALL of last year. He still got a ton of jack to catch the ball, and frankly I'm pretty comfortable saying I could've caught at least two of the TDs he dropped last year, and I have stone hands.

I don't care how messed up your personal life is, if it was that bad he shouldn't have stepped on the field. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

[FBT]

Same as Thomas, I think last year was an anomaly for Lewis. He's been better, and I think that with coaching, and more reps with his starting QB, he'll get back to form.

There was nothing good happening with the pass offense last year. It was a breakdown of epic proportions on all levels. The major issues have hopefully been addressed, and the unit as a whole will be better as a result.

This post has been edited by FBT: Jul 03 2012 02:31 PM

[CatAttack78]

FBT, on Jul 02 2012 02:03 PM, said:

Thomas mailed it in last year, but I think his frustrations in the passing game were no different from anyone else. The offense took the air out of the offense, and when they DID opt to throw the ball, there were other issues. I've seen it repeatedly where the braintrust on this board looks at 3 years with Thomas, and based strictly on last season has decided he's a bust. Few people here were complaining when the contract extension was awarded.

Personally, I think 2011 was an anomaly for a few guys on the roster, and hopefully with the new coaching and with a more focused effort on passing the ball, you'll see guys like Thomas and Lewis return to form.

Hear, all ye good people, hear what this brilliant and eloquent speaker has to say!

[shag52]

FBT, on Jul 03 2012 02:19 PM, said:

I'm not defending what Thomas did last year because anyone could see he was cutting off routes and quitting on plays. Since he got an extension last year, my guess is he wasn't too concerned about the film, and figured the game would just come to him. When he didn't, he let his frustrations play out in the worst possible way. I'd almost rather have seen him in front of a camera saying to give him the darn ball.

I think he was an idiot for dialing down his effort in such a visible manner. I also believe that he's on a short leash as a result of that this year. This coaching staff has no loyalty to him. So, if he shows the same lack of effort as last year, he won't be on the opening day roster.

I hope that will be enough motivation to get him rolling.

I know you are not defending Thomas... and I hope he does turn it around... but like I said and it's only my opinion...I think we saw the real Thomas last year... I think we saw it when he gave up on a route in the preseason game and got called out on it...this message board exploded because of the one calling him out about it...

You are right...the new coaching staff owes him nothing... I do think it's a make or break year for him... and it could go either way with him as early as training camp and into the preseason games... he needs to step up his game...he's been in the NFL long enough now to know this and it's his spot on the roster to lose... the Jags WR's are getting better and deeper...

This post has been edited by shag52: Jul 03 2012 06:52 PM

[iBleedTeal]

http://www.profootba...wide-receivers/

Well since we're talking Mike Thomas, according to PFF he's got the 14th lowest drop rate of all WRs the past 3 years. Discuss.

[foo895]

iBleedTeal, on Jul 03 2012 08:25 PM, said:

http://www.profootba...wide-receivers/

Well since we're talking Mike Thomas, according to PFF he's got the 14th lowest drop rate of all WRs the past 3 years. Discuss.

This is what is being discussed. Did you not see the OP?

[pirkster]

iBleedTeal, on Jul 03 2012 08:25 PM, said:

http://www.profootba...wide-receivers/

Well since we're talking Mike Thomas, according to PFF he's got the 14th lowest drop rate of all WRs the past 3 years. Discuss.

I'm not a fan of PFF's "made up" stats... like "drop rate."

They do a great job of masking the fact that a lot of information they provide/generate are really subjective and aren't even close to being official. They are very eloquent in elaborating on how clever they were in, well, basically making the stuff up.

Ditto Football Outsiders.

Both are great when looking at things you can verify objectively with other sources. Not so great when they make stuff up, which both frequently do. They aren't ashamed of it. They sell/differentiate themselves on it. Still... I'm not a big fan of the fabricated stats.

[Haterade]

I have no problem with Mike Thomas not starting if he's not one of the top three.

[GoJags16]

I still remember the pass that doinked off (and probably subsequently bruised) his chest in preseason last year. I thought "meh, everybody misses one easy play here or there sometime." I was wrong, shag52 was right. It was a sign of things to come.

Your head needs to be checked if you think Mike Thomas has the 14th best hands in the NFL. Id be curious to see what his "drop %" (really who sits at home and thinks of this crap?) was for just 2011.

I think Lee Evans and Cecil Shorts both are going to get every opportunity to take Thomas' job this camp.

[Jinjo]

I remember a couple years ago mike thomas and sims-walker were both top 5 in catch %. But anyways i think thomas still deserves the first half of this season to prove himself worthy of keeping the starting slot position. Im not giving him a pass for last year, but we all know how many things went wrong at once that season. I think he'll bounce back once hes back in his natural position.